3 Years Later: Evaluating the Kickstarter Phenomenon

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Re: 3 Years Later: Evaluating the Kickstarter Phenomenon

Post by Kooshmeister » Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:10 pm

MoDaD wrote:This has been a repeatedly stated reason, one that I can personally relate to as I myself try to avoid talking about things until they're certain.
Fine. But that still leaves the trailer. Which wouldn't necessarily have to reveal much, if anything at all. It could just be a brief snippet of the SWAT Kats busting some bad guys. A little self-contained thing like the opening sequence to Batman: The Animated Series. So if they're using that excuse for not making the trailer despite having surpassed the Thruster stage, then I'm crying foul.

This is not up for debate.

It is explicitly stated in the Kickstarter that once they hit $100,000, they'd make a trailer. They haven't, and (as far as I'm aware) have not said why. There is no getting around this fact. When are we getting the thing specifically promised in the Kickstarter? What have they been doing with that $141,500?

It's a perfectly normal question that would be nice to have answered. If the trailer is the thing that's planned for this November, then I'd like them to say so and quit being so darn vague. I'm not trying to rock the boat or ruffle anyone's feathers. I'm just trying to ensure things remain on course and that there is accountability.

This fandom means a lot to me. In fact, it means more to me than any other fandom I'm in. Whatever else certain people may think of me, never doubt that I mean what I say when I say SWAT Kats is (almost!) everything to me.

I want Revolution to happen.

I appreciate all that the Tremblays have done and are doing, that they've provided us with a lot of great behind the scenes material from the original show (and saw fit to gift me in particular with a piece of memorabilia that undoubtedly is worth a lot of money, for which I will be eternally grateful), but whatever their reasons, this silence is extremely frustrating. They took our money. They owe us what we were promised once we'd given a certain amount. So here's hoping the trailer is what's going to come out in November, or else I fear I'm going to lose faith in Revolution altogether.
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Re: 3 Years Later: Evaluating the Kickstarter Phenomenon

Post by MoDaD » Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:47 pm

Kooshmeister wrote:This is not up for debate.
Nope. Just reaffirming Echo's statement, as that has been the stated reason. Not to excuse the lack of fulfillment.
Kooshmeister wrote:When are we getting the thing specifically promised in the Kickstarter? What have they been doing with that $141,500?
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Re: 3 Years Later: Evaluating the Kickstarter Phenomenon

Post by Echo » Wed Sep 19, 2018 3:43 pm

Well guys, we got 2 months to see if they'll deliver or not. And I and many others (especially Koosh) hope they do. KittyEyesChanceIcon
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Re: 3 Years Later: Evaluating the Kickstarter Phenomenon

Post by Tarnish » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:16 am

Yeah, a statement at least would definitely be welcome regarding that promised trailer. Do they even remember they promised that or did they forget during the efforts trying to find a financial partner? Did they plan to use the raised Kickstarter funds to produce the trailer (which you would assume, as that's how Kickstarters work), or only after they find a partner and there's an agreement in place (which is a pretty pointless way of doing a trailer as upcoming cartoons/movies always get a trailer anyway).
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Re: 3 Years Later: Evaluating the Kickstarter Phenomenon

Post by MoDaD » Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:59 am

Copied from Discord:
MoDaD wrote:I'd like to apologize for being unable to deliver any positive news. One of the reasons I try to avoid talking about in-progress projects is because they have a tendency to fail. Due to the time-sensitive nature of events in September I broke that personal policy (in this thread) in revealing time table dates concerning SK Revolution announcements. I relayed those times as they were given to me, but at each point circumstances changed on a weekly basis.

One of the main reasons for the repeatedly delayed announcements is due to the changing status of certain guest availability for a "25th anniversary reunion." For reasons ranging from being unavailable due to other industry obligations, to plain disinterest, original show staff (out of respect I won't be identifying by name) would largely not be attending. Due to this, the nature of what the Tremblays have planned is changing. There will probably not be a live event. There may or may not be a Kickstarter announcement. I'll be touching base again with them later this week.

As has already no doubt been observed by others, it has now been over 1 year since the last official Kickstarter update post.

As a reminder, if and when a Kickstarter update occurs, and you would like to voice your concerns to them in the replies, I'd suggest using the points that Erico outlined in (this thread).
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Re: 3 Years Later: Evaluating the Kickstarter Phenomenon

Post by Mikazo » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:39 pm

MoDaD wrote:Copied from Discord:
MoDaD wrote:I'd like to apologize for being unable to deliver any positive news. One of the reasons I try to avoid talking about in-progress projects is because they have a tendency to fail. Due to the time-sensitive nature of events in September I broke that personal policy (in this thread) in revealing time table dates concerning SK Revolution announcements. I relayed those times as they were given to me, but at each point circumstances changed on a weekly basis.
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Thanks for the update. What exactly were they hoping to accomplish by having a reunion? At this point, it would seem more prudent to me to focus on creating new content. Besides as you stated, it's easy for those kinds of events to fall through due to a variety of reasons.

I mean this with all due respect of course, but I guess I'm not quite understanding what they are trying to do.
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Re: 3 Years Later: Evaluating the Kickstarter Phenomenon

Post by MoDaD » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:56 pm

Mikazo wrote:What exactly were they hoping to accomplish by having a reunion? At this point, it would seem more prudent to me to focus on creating new content.
This is a very on-point observation, and it hasn't gone (diplomatically) unsaid.
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Re: 3 Years Later: Evaluating the Kickstarter Phenomenon

Post by Tarnish » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:44 am

MoDaD wrote:For reasons ranging from being unavailable due to other industry obligations, to plain disinterest
Not to derail the thread or imply that being disinterested in attending a live event is the same as being disinterested in the entire show, but just a throught: after listening to how special SWAT Kats was to the various key people behind it (the first big project for the Tremblays, as well as a major studio picking up a show idea they created, Lance Falk's first real opportunity as a writer), I wonder for how many people was it just another job among the many others they worked on.
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Re: 3 Years Later: Evaluating the Kickstarter Phenomenon

Post by Echo » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:10 pm

Welp.....it has now been 5 years since this kickstarter was first created and what has come from it? A concept picture of TBone and a poster from an anime convention, the last kickstarter "update" was 2 years ago and that was just for some old drawings they found and a contest for some signed posters. I understand the world currently sucks right now, but the brothers have yet to fulfill their promise of a trailer and constantly cancel livestreams they've had set up for weeks and when they say they'll re-schedule they never do. They don't even keep us updated or tell us anything except "We're working on it." This may sound harsh, but we want progress not excuses.

My patience is wearing thin with them, I wanna stay positive and think they'll pull through on their promises.....but I know I'll just be met with disappointment. SighingChanceIcon

To be honest, I have more faith in Koosh's idea of making the unfinished episodes into comics than I do the Tremblays.
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Re: 3 Years Later: Evaluating the Kickstarter Phenomenon

Post by AkaneKitty » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:16 pm

The very cynical side of me thinks that the fandom was used by the Tremblays. Perhaps they needed attention to get eyes on new projects, or maybe they needed funding for new or current projects. So why not use a passionate fandom base that desperately wants something new for the SWAT Kats?

This is not an accusation. It's just my feelings on the situation, which I dearly hope is not true. But with the lack of communication and no updates in years, what is one to think?

The most glaring issue for me is no accountability for the money that was generated from the Kickstarter. With the amount of money raised from said Kickstarter, the fandom was promised a trailer. This Kickstarter happened years ago and there is not one word about the status of the trailer. Perhaps there was some difficulty and a trailer couldn't be produced, but the key is to communicate to those who backed your project. And as stated, there has been nothing but tumbleweeds in the wind.

Sure we got some behind the scenes things about the show which was very cool, but it is nothing new. If they can't show a trailer, why can't we get info about the characters? What has been going on in Megakat City? The Tremblays always seemed to not want anything about Revolution told because it seems they don't want it copied or stolen, but news flash: Nothing is new anymore. It's all about presentation and putting bells and whistles to your ideas to make it unique. Putting out new settings or a where are they now piece would generate interest and get people talking. Don't they want people talking about the SWAT Kats? Have people bug network execs to get Revolution on their network?

Their silence is questionable.

Other fandoms have chewed up and spit out their creators for less, and for that, the Tremblays should be grateful for the patience others in the fandom have given them. For myself, I do not feel any loyalty to them, or even want to consider their feelings. While they did create the SWAT Kats, it was writers like Lance Falk and Glenn Leopold who brought them to life. And while I have issues with how Commander Feral is presented, it was Falk and Leopold who gave me the Feral I love. If anything, if they were having issues, I'd be a lot more understanding of them than the Tremblays.

So that's a lot to say that I feel that the fandom was used. I get it. People have to eat and make money. But the Tremblays made a promise. And you know what they say about promises: They are easy to break.

As for myself, I have no dog in this fight. I've come to the point where I do not care about Revolution. If it's dead, it's dead. I do hope the fandom gets what it wants, but it's looking like nothing but a pipe dream.

Feral probably not even going to be in Revolution unless a miracle happens, which is apparently what a lot of people want. So why care, or stick around?

It's not worth it. Not even for a promise of Revolution.

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